Curse

Negro-Jones · Jan 06, 2007, 12:30 PM // 12:30

This is my first guid. I came up with this idea from others i read. With how the new hero system an AI has been working i find this set up to be really trusting and easy to work with.

Test this out and tell me how you think this works for you guys. from what i have tested so far i have been happy so far.

My testing has been as follows:

I'm not listing all my hero skills and runes since i trust everyone will have a pretty good set up. The only skills that matter that i want to be looked at and tested is the orders necro skills(Olia's), and the minion master skills (me)and how they work together.

i been playing with my buddy and his heroes....An assassin, healer, and fighter, while he is a ranger. all guys fully maxed out with weapons armor and runes. They/we fight really well together, so i want to find out if my combo build is good or were are just making it through the game so-so.....

ME-Minion master (From Factions) No insignias****

Death----12+3+1=16
Blood-----3
SoulReaping-----9+1
Healing Prayers-9

Weapon-Ghials Staff(Green MM Staff)
Armor: MM Armor w/ Bloodstained boots(25% faster casting on corps)from Factions

(Dark Bond)-Blood- at o points it last 30 sec very good just to have
(Animate Bone Horror)
(shambling Horror)
(Vereta'sSacrifice)--Keep minions alive when running
(Blood of the Master)--alive while fighting, and standing still
(Heal Party)-To help your monk out, and to use when spells are recharging
(Heal area)--Keep minions alive when standing still, Also people that fight from a distance
(Rebirth)--Just in case you never know

Hero-1- Monk/E----just have a good build with him/her set up with all the needed runes and weapons...Im a ele so glyph of lesser energy = 2 free spells

Hero-2- Fighter/*--Strait fighter for kicking A$$, just have set up with good weapon and skill's with all the needed runes.

Hero-3- Necro/E--This is where you need to pay attention and test out everything.....

Blood---12+3+1=16
Death---9+3=12
Soul Reaping ---9+3=12

255 Life

Weapon: Milthurans Staff(Green Blood Staff)

~Insignias and Runes:

Insignias: Runes" ( From head down)

Radiant Insignias, Sup Blood magic
Undertaker Insignias, Sup Death
Radiant Insignias, Rune of Attunment
Undertaker Insignias, Sup Soul Reaping
Radiant Insignias, Rune of Attunment

~The lower life the Orders necro has the less life he has to sacrifice and the easier he can heal him self. that's y i use all 3 sup runes, and no health runes, you can make this a 55 necro and i hear it can work just as good, but i like to have some life

but not sure if it will work with how i built it

Skills:
(Order of the Vampire)
(Order of Pain) the AI will know how to use these skill together
(Blood Renewal) Life regen and full heal for low life necro

(Blood Ritual)-To Regen the monks energy if needed
(Life Syphon) Good life steel and gain to stay alive
(Aura of Restoration) this +orders = less life loss
(blood of the master) help keep the minions alive, don't hurt to help
(Death Nova) the AI will auto cast this on every minion when it has a extra sec, usually 5 minions at a time have it on them.....

So the over view is, keep your minions healed and have 10 at all times, while Ollios is spamming order and enchanting ur minions, every time u make a 11th minion you will kill an old minion blowing it up. while keeping all minions at full health ( if ur fast )

Most minion master build males the MM use death nova but this set up gives (you) the minion master 1 less thing to worry about since you dont have to try to cast death nova and fight at the same time, all you have to do is keep making minions and Olia's will make sure they blow up....

Suggestions and spell changes anyone??????

Zinger314 · Jan 06, 2007, 05:37 PM // 17:37

Won't work. Your Healers would cry.

And there's no reason to have an Orders unless the entire team is based around it.

Osi Ri S · Jan 06, 2007, 07:28 PM // 19:28

If i remember correctly Orders dont affect minions, and if you wanna use Order of the Undead it has to be on YOU if youre the MM, not on Olias if you want it to work. (just a tip)

Also doesnt look like you will be doing too good on energy from that first build.

BUT i do like how you put death nova on Olias, never thought of it myself but will have to try it

Negro-Jones · Jan 06, 2007, 09:04 PM // 21:04

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Originally Posted by Zinger314

Won't work. Your Healers would cry.

And there's no reason to have an Orders unless the entire team is based around it.

Explain why healers would cry? so far i haven't had any deaths and my healers has full energy at all times. I run them with glyph of lesser energy so they can cast alot more spells for free.

I thought orders effected minion why else would run a mm BP group in tomb of primeval kings?

But so far while runing this set up it was worked really well and my healer has not have to heal my fighters and assassins as much. and my orders necro heals him self from life steal. He stands really far back and he dosnt really take damage,

Also the orders keep my assassin fighters alive when they teleport ahead of us and fights groups of monsters by him self.. when i get to the group of monsters they all bunched together fighting my assassin while my minions act like a wall.

but let me hear your feedback and have people accualy test this befor making extream comments

amd thanks giving ollias death nova has proven very very efective for this group

AuraofMana · Jan 07, 2007, 06:26 PM // 18:26

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Explain why healers would cry? so far i haven't had any deaths and my healers has full energy at all times. I run them with glyph of lesser energy so they can cast alot more spells for free.

That's because you are playing with HEROES. Glyph of Lesser Energy has no point on a Monk if all the monk casts are 5e spells and 1 or 2 10e spells. You might as well put Inspired Hex.

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I thought orders effected minion why else would run a mm BP group in tomb of primeval kings?

It's for the tanking, and plus, the pets provide corpses for the MM.
Orders haven't affected minions since forever.
OOU is the only skill that acts like Orders and affect minions (only YOUR minions), and it is an Elite.

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Also the orders keep my assassin fighters alive when they teleport ahead of us and fights groups of monsters by him self.. when i get to the group of monsters they all bunched together fighting my assassin while my minions act like a wall.

Assassin =/= Tank.

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(Aura of Restoration) this +orders = less life loss

No.

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but let me hear your feedback and have people accualy test this befor making extream comments

This doesn't require testing, the whole concept of this set up is wrong. Here are the major errors.

1. Orders DOES NOT affect minions, making it useless unless you have 4+ physical damage dealers (even then it's still muddy).
2. Aura of Restoration is pointless on a non-primary Ele.
3. Glyph of Lesser Energy on a Monk that uses mostly 5e and 1-2 10e skills is pointless.
4. Verata's Sacrifice does not cover hidden regen, making it a pointless skill (that and the long recharge + sac). Last time I heard it only affects 3 minions regardless of the situation, but I can be wrong. However, the hidden regen thing is true.
5. Heal Party is pointless on a MM, your monks should not have any problem keeping everyone alive (and this is according to you as well, so why do you even have it on your bar?).
6. You alone should be able to keep minions alive. If you are going to make Olias a slave MM-supporter, you might as well give him Jagged Bones and some Paragon shouts to boost up minions.
7. Assassin is NOT a tank. If your Assassin is the one pulling the aggro, you are destined to FAIL.
8. You don't need that much in Blood for Dark Bond, even having 0 points in Blood gives it longer duration than recharge. Get at least 12 SR.
9. Might as well make Olias a 105 for Orders, but then again, there's no point for him to use Orders in your setup.

Osi Ri S · Jan 07, 2007, 11:49 PM // 23:49

They use Orders in B/P groups for the Rangers for damage, NOT for the minions.

Vateras Sacrifice only affects your 3 oldest minions, so its a BROKEN skill and a complete waste on your skill bar. Also heal party should not be on a MM ever, leave that to your monks or occasionally eles but thats a diff story.

Take AuraofMana's advice, especially on number 6 in his post.

Negro-Jones · Jan 08, 2007, 09:01 AM // 09:01

if i didnt mention befor this is not my ingame set up this is a B/p set up i will be using once i can get b/p's/ but since i dont have them right now i used a assassin ans warriors. But even so it did work very well and i could even use it to finish the game.

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